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7-01-13
Well it\'s that time again to make an update to my listing. Until futher notice the ONLY items i will accept for refining will be either Karat gold items or Gold filled items. The reason for this is the current market price for gold. With the drop in gold prices recently it makes going after certain types of gold (Plated) materials not as profitable or cost feasible from a refining stand point. The only ones who stand to profit will be either those who can supply large amounts on a consistent basis or those who can process on that large of scale making the venture cost feasible. I hope everyone has a safe and happy 4th JULY !!!!!
3-26-2013Ok it\'s time for another update. Christmas is over with and we are three months into the new year. I hope everyone had a safe and happy holiday season. I have a lot to say and really don\'t know where to start so just try and follow some of my rantings please. And by the way that ground hog got it wrong!Gold filled. That\'s seems like a good place to start. I’ve been watching the gold filled market explode for the last couple of months. The reason for this explosion is that the karat gold market is getting scarcer by the day. Now i\'m not saying it\'s drying up by any means but their come a point of stabilization and with the high metals prices the market has all but consumed the excess materials source. Notice how a year ago you saw we buy gold commercials all over the tv from several companies. Now you don\'t see them, why? You see one once in awhile but the big push is over. Of course you can open any print article and see nearly a dozen we buy gold ad\'s or one of those 10,000 places in every little strip mall that popped up over night buying gold. If your just getting into this game then you to late! Now I didn\'t say you couldn\'t make money. There is money to be made but now the market is so competitive that the profit margins are really thin. Then after fighting past that road block you have to roll the dice with the refiner.With that supply being restricted the market is looking for new sources to feed it. That\'s where gold filled comes in at. Two years ago I knew people who had gold filled they couldn\'t give away because it was so cheap and nobody wanted to deal with it. The profit then was in karat jewelry and gold filled was just looked as as the trash in the market Now ? It\'s gotten down right stupid. I look on here and I see what gold filled is selling for and I think “ Who the hell is buying this?” is like the stock market in the fact that for every sale there is a winner for profit and a loser for a loss. The sellers are the only ones I see making out like a bandit on gold filled. So if your a seller and your reading this keep right on doing what your doing brother, I don\'t blame you! That\'s the free market enterprise. If your the buyer then do your homework and know your profit margins well. One of the first questions I ask a new customers is “ Are you in this for the gold or for the profit?” If you in it for the profit then sell on . If your in it for the gold then you need me, a refiner. The thing with gold filled is you can\'t estimate the gold content with as much accuracy as you can with karat gold. With gold filled it\'s always something new. People will send me an email about materials and say “ I have this, this, and this, with X amount of gold.” That\'s great theoretically in a perfect world. But in reality it\'s a whole different story. If I run an average 10 lb lot of gold filled items I on the average have about ½ lb of trash that comes from this. What is that trash you ask? Well you have dirt, oil, grime, stones, plastic, plaster as a filler, and one of the best, Stainless steel. Do you know what kind of a pain in the ass Stainless Steel is in the refining process. Stainless in ear ring post, stainless in eye glass frames, stainless steel screws. The list goes on. All of the sudden your not talking about the yield for 10 lbs your talking about 9.5 lbs. That\'s a 5% lose right off the top! Then on top of that you haven\'t even started to take into account for wear on gold filled items. These numbers run into the 20-30% range depending on what the item may be. Then on top of that also is the fact that items are under karated, counterfeit, or not as marked or tested. Then all the sudden those theoretical number are just that, theoretical! Most refiners won\'t even talk to you about gold filled and if they do they have minimum requirements of usually 25-50 lbs and if you don\'t get your money up front hold on for the ride!!!! So the moral of the story is that if your buying gold filled off of and think that you will be able to have it refined and still make a decent profit margin if any at all then just make sure you know your numbers. If your selling gold on then you already know your profit margins are better even with the fee\'s so I wouldn\'t change a thing.
Please note that I have got to be away from the office the week of April8-12 teaching a client and setting up a lab. If you send in materials or buy an sale starting today then please expect a 5 day delay in your processing time.
I am also so busy lately that i\'m afraid i\'m going to have to stop taking electronic scrap to process. I have one or two of my clients that I can still do this for and if your reading this then you know who you are. Other than that i\'m afraid I have to close new accounts for that material. Their are a few things I will still take for new accounts and those I will list here now. If it\'s not on the list I won\'t be able to except it right now.
***Gold filled***Karat jewelry*** Gold fingers (clean)***Gold pins(clean)***If you have something by some weird off chance you think I might be interested in then feel free to send me an email, but I can\'t promise you anything.My fees for Karat jewelry are 10% for anything under 5 oz and 8% for anything over 5 oz
My fees for Gold filled are 15% for clean, 20-25% for Stainless, iron, or highly magnetic items.
These fee\'s are for up to 10 lbs of materials. Anything over 10 lbs I will deduct another 5%.
Same thing for Gold pins and Gold fingers.Thank you for your time!
Update12-06-2012
HAPPY HOLIDAYS
Well I guess it\'s time for another revision, by the Refiner, to my sales. Seems people have given me that nickname or started to calling me that! It has a nice ring to it. The first thing I would like to do is wish everyone a great holiday season and may Santa stuff your stockings with gold. I appreciate all the clients I have had the privilege of refining for that I have met here on and want to thank each and every one of you for you trust and business. For those of you who haven\'t tried my services all you have to do is look back through my feed back and contact any of my clients for their opinion of my services. It\'s hard to find a person now a days that you can trust to look out for your best interest and provide you with the quality and service you deserve. My clients don\'t always pick me because I give the the best deals on refining fee\'s. It\'s because I provide a services above and beyond that of any of the top name refiners in the business. Don\'t get me wrong now i\'m not the biggest kid in the school yard and to tell the truth i\'m just a small fish swimming around in a pool of sharks. But what I lack in razzle and dazzle I make up for in quality and service. I could tell you I can do it for less, but then that\'s what the big boys do is quote you that pie in the sky number and then they just steal the rest to make up for it and to make you feel better about it. If your reading this and think “ he\'s right ” then you know what i\'m talking about. If you don\'t understand it YET, then you will one day. I\'ve had a few more questions here lately that I guess I need to answer to clarify somethings and to re-clarify some others.
#1 The ONLY materials that I process are as follows:Karat gold, Gold Filled materials, Ceramic Cpu\'s. Gold finger cut and removed from the board. Gold pins cleaned and removed from the board.I do not do Fiber Cpu\'s. Those have so little gold in them you are better off selling them here on and taking that money and buying gold. You need 100\'s of lbs of material to make it worth really processing. I don\'t do flash plated pins. You should sell them on also. I do not do whole boards either, period! I don\'t do Melted Gold blobs you bought here on ! Now if you have something you don\'t know about and need testing then that is different, but if your just someone who doesn\'t know what your buying in the first place and bought it anyways then chances are you shouldn’t have bought it.Common sense!!!! If you buy my sale and I can\'t refine your materials I will refund your money and I can refer you to someone who can do your refining for you.
#2 How do I know the gold you return is the quality you stated? You don\'t !!!! Don\'t trust anyone, have your own test done if you believe someone is crooking you. That\'s why it\'s important to find a good refiner and stick with him. But I will tell you I have my gold quality checked before shipment is made to verify it\'s quality.Someone said can you send me an assay report. Sure !!!! No problem.Yes that\'s sarcasm you sense and let me tell you why. An assay report is nothing more than ink printed on paper. That\'s it! Setting righ there at my computer I can type you up all the assay reports you want.Reminds me of that word appraisal. What\'s an appraisal in essence? It\'s an opinion of what one person thinks something is worth. Just that persons opinion is all it is. So that means I guess because that person valued it at that then so should I. Yeahhhhh right! But back to the assay part. The only way you can verify an assay report is if you physically observed the melting, sampling, and testing of that material without it leaving your sight. Other than that people can tell you anything or type anything up you want to. I return all my customers lots with refining reports and assay results and if you wish to check the quality of my work be my guest. It will only serve to reaffirm that you have chosen the right refiner.
#3 What is your average processing time? Good question.For karat jewelry I can turn it around in as little as 24 hours. But in reality I have other customers ahead of you and it has to be put in process so I usually say about 72 hours. Gold filled I usually state about 7-14 days. It\'s a little more work and of course there again where you fall into line at. Electronics about 14-21 days.Sometimes it runs less, sometime a little more. You can\'t rush these processes and if you do either yields will sacrifice or quality. Alot has to do with how much money your lot generates also. Not that I value one customer any less than another, but if I have a client who\'s a regular customer and who makes me good money then of course i\'m going to try and make special considerations for him or you. You might not agree with that if you a real small guy, but most times when I run these small lots for you guys I don\'t make money off of them. Actually it\'s the opposite I loose money on about probably 1/3of my lots. Which means in order for me to give you the same service and quality I provide each and every customer without jacking my rates sky high for everyone. I have to compensate for that somewhere and that somewhere is from the guy who just paid me to do your refining for free. Be a little appreciative please!
All in all my experiences here on has been positive thus far. I have each and every one of you to thank for that and hope that the future brings good results for all parties involved. I want to again wish everyone a happy holiday season and may the time you spend with your loved ones over this holiday season be merry and memorable. As always if you have any questions please feel free to contact me.
How do I price my services? Well I guess there is no fixed prices being as how everything can be different to process thus requiring more time and acids which = more cost. An example would be gold karat jewelery I guess. I get 10% for anything under 5 oz. If you go over 5 oz then it drops to 8% and so on. No up front fees, no hidden lot charges, just a percentage of recovery. Gold fingers and pins run anywhere from 12% to 25%depending on what the material is and the waste disposal issues involved as well as other factors. Of course larger volumes will mean lower cost and higher profit for both of us I process gold filled, gold rolled, gold plated, gold processors, anything gold!Turnaround time is usually 7 days from when I receive shipment,sometimes quicker, sometimes a little longer, all depends on the material. Do I buy gold? NO!!!!! I do not buy gold. I offer a refining service only. If I bought your gold I would have to request proper identification under the U.S. Patriot Act and would have to file it and at the end of the year I would send you a tax statement. Doing it this way your business is your business! I don\'t buy or sell gold, only refine it. After your gold has been refined I will take my percentage of gold as payment. The rest will be returned to you to do with as you see fit. All gold will be at least .995quality and most if not all will approach .999. All gold returned will be returned priority mail with a track number attached. You can get your gold returned as shot or metallic gold. No added charge. There is also no added charge for stone removal ( 1 oz Min. ).
Please do not contact me if you think you have something that is worth more than it really is. This will only lead to inflated expectations and you and I both getting frustrated in the end because you had high hopes. Not saying sometimes I actually don\'t get more back that I expected . It happens! I get paid on a percentage basis so the more I recover the more you make the more I make. What do I mean? Well do your research and know what the value of your material is before you send it off to someone to be refined. There are many online calculators out there that can help you get close to what the value is. Give or take a half percentage in most instances.
If you have any questions or want to discuss business you can send me an email and I will help you the best I can.
Thank you,
R.M.
Question: Do you offer stone removal?Yes ! I stated that above. You need to note that diamonds,rubies, opals, and sapphires usually are un-harmed. Pearls on the other hand are organic and the acids will destroy them. Emeralds,especially the old oil enhanced ones, will become frosted. All stones will be returned to you.
Question: Do you do jewelers polishings, sweeps, or buffing dust? Yes! I do rugs also. I have people ask me what can I expect as a return? There again is one of those questions you can\'t answer. Why? Well it\'s because I don\'t know what volume of material you have processed or how long it took to accumulate that material. I will tell you that if you process a lot and your not diligent about gathering your sweeps then you could be losing money. Not all the time but a good percentage of the time sweeps, dust, polishings, and rugs can hold a good little bit of values.
Question: Do you do whole boards? Let me clarify that from my last post. I don\'t do whole boards that have the chips and everything else under the sun attached. I do process(On a limited basis ) whole boards that have never had the components attached. These are usually factory rejects or defects from the manufacturing process. If you think you might have something that would pass even if it has a little trash I might consider it. I would have to see some pictures.
Question: Why do you charge $10 for your sale? The $10 fee is for returning your gold or gemstones after processing. This is an upfront fee so once you send your materials in and they are processed and i returned them our business is concluded unless you need my services in the future.
WHAT IS \'GOLD-FILLED\'?
It is a layer of 10Kt or better gold mechanically bonded under heat & pressure to one or more surfaces of supporting base metal,then rolled or drawn to a given thickness. In the jewelry industry the quantity of gold must be at least 1/20th by weight of the total product. Under FTC (Federal Trade Commission) regulations,a product may be marked as 14, 12 or 10Kt Gold-Filled. Karat measurement of the gold content MUST be part of the marking or designation. (Beware of items offered as simply \'Gold-Filled\' rather than 14Kt Gold-Filled or10 or 12Kt Gold-Filled when trying to compare prices!) The finished product thus has a surface layer of gold of the the appropriate karatage, which is very thick compared to rolled gold plate or the heaviest electroplate ( = gold plated) material.
WHAT IS \'ROLLED GOLD PLATE\'?
It is made the same way as Gold-Filled material, but with a lower gold content. The minimum standard is 1/40th the total weight of product must be appropriate karatage gold. Thus a product marked10KRGP is 1/40th 10KT gold by weight.
GF = Gold Filled
RGP = Rolled Gold Plate
HGP = High Gold Plating
HGE = High Gold Electroplate
18KHGE = 18K Heavy Gold Electroplate
14KGE = 14K Gold Electroplate
14KGP = 14K Gold Plate
14KGF = 14K Gold Filled Will have a number donating purity weight, like 1/10 14k GF.
Question:How do I know this is not just another scam? Good question! I have been in this business for several years as I hope you can tell by now. I have all the proper credentials to verify the existence of my companies. Not only am I incorporated and registered with my state and local authorities, but I also am listed with Dun&Bradstreet and can provide proof of my credentials should you decide to do business with me. I just didn\'t start doing this today.
Question:Do you process Pentium Pro\'s? Yes I do! Now let me explain this one to.All these sellers out here on want you to believe that the Pentium Pro is just loaded with tons of gold. It does have some mighty fine gold in it and is considered one of the top chips. There are numerous websites and pdf\'s out there that state the PP has 1gramof gold per chip. LIE!!!!!! Their were 7 different variations of the PP made and according to when and where it was made the average yield can run from about .36 grams up to about .5 grams (That\'s half a gram) maybe just a tad bit more according to how they are processed. So at today’s price of lets say $1600 oz a gram is worth about $51give or take. So for that chip at .5 grams theoretical yield it has right at about $25 or less in gold value. If your paying more than the gold content value then your loosing money. Plus after you buy that chip it costs to refine it so that needs to be added in also.Think i\'m lying? Check it out. I\'ve processed 100\'s of pounds of these chips and know what i\'m talking about. Stop listening to these people and their false information they distribute to help peddle their over price chips. Those pdf\'s and such were created a few years ago by a group here on who\'s agenda was nothing more than to jack up the price on such items as this and today it seems these pdf\'s are what legends are made of. It\'s an urban myth plain and simple!
Question:How do I know your not lying to me. Rotfl!!!! Fellow you don\'t. Just like you don\'t know if the next man is lying to you either. But I don\'t blame you for asking the question. Research it !!!!
Question:I have some rings that belonged to my grandmother that my grandfather bought for her and she wore them for years. Now I want to have these refined so I can use the same gold to have my wedding rings made for me and my husband. Can you help us? Yes mam I can. I will refine it and send it back as pure gold for your jeweler to use in the casting process. Just a note here also. The gold I return will be .995 as certified by analysis. If you have ever had a jeweler take the time to cast a ring only to find out the gold he cast it with was not pure and it totally screwed up his casting then you know one pissed off jeweler. It can ruin a lot of good work real quick if you don\'t know the quality of your gold. Lead is a main problem and will make gold brittle real quick.
Question:Do you refine gold ore? NO!!!! But I do refine concentrates or dory bars. There is a difference!
Question:Is it true there is gold in the ocean water? I\'m not even going to answer that one. Next question please!
Question:Can you recover my gold from my plating solutions? Yes!!!! But not if it\'s in a cyanide solution.You can get real dead real quick if you don\'t know what your doing and i\'m not set up to process that type of material.
Here\'s a new note: Some of you have been contacting me about refining some of these supposed gold drops from melted computer pins or what ever the story may be. These are not worth anything! Again you have fallen prey to a scam. Think about it. If they were so much gold in them why would the seller be selling them so cheap! He not trying to do you any favors for real.Money does not come looking for people and if it sounds to good to be true, Guess what? It is! Some of the samples I have seen are nothing more that melted drops of copper that have been dipped in a plating solution to give them that quick pretty coat of gold so it looks and sells fast. Don\'t believe me? Hell I will make you some and sell them to you if all you want is to give me your money. I could make pounds of these thing from nothing more than copper wire or pipe. You can even buy the plating solution here on . It can be done for under$100 easily. Think of the returns. That\'s what they are doing.They figure if they only get caught half the time and have to give you your money back then they still win 50% of the time. Be an educated consumer! And why would they melt the pins anyway? What purpose does that serve? It don\'t! That\'s just to add to the mystery of I don\'t know what\'s in there. Those pins are plated anyway and the gold ratio to copper on a pin is about 99.9 % copper and the rest isgold,nickle, and tin. So even melted they are nearly worthless.Please stay away from these scams! Just remember that anything you buy or see here on that has been melted or construed in some way to change it\'s characteristics is probably fake. Even if it isn\'t fake neither you or the seller know what\'s in it. He can tell you anything you want to hear, but by that logic so can anybody else,that still don\'t make it a fact. Why would you buy something based on the chance it\'s not what it\'s suppose to be. Don\'t be fooled by them please!
Amendment
Alright, right about now your asking yourself what this all about? There seems to be some confusion and i\'m getting a lot of questions about do you do whole computer boards.The answer is NO!!!! I refine only items that have been segregated from the board. That\'s where your money is really going to be at.They ask me do you know a refiner for whole boards? Yes i do, but trust me, You do not want to send whole boards like these to a refiner unless you have thousands of pounds. Why, because they charge you for every little thing. Assay\'s, lot fee\'s, processing fees, and the list goes on and on. By the time you are finished they have either stolen most your gold or fee charged you to death. Then you have to wait 30-90 days for your material to be processed only to find out you actually lost money. Now if you have truck loads of this stuff you can handle a hit like that, but if not then your going to find out it ain\'t the way to go real quick. Here\'s the best thing I can recommend for you if your the small or medium guy. Segregate your materials so you will get more value from your work. Don\'t just sell it as one lot. Take what you can from the boards that are easily removable like pins, fingers, cpu processors, flat packs,the golden gravy part of it! Then segregate the material and ship it to someone who buys boards and can ship that 40,000 lb minimum it takes. By doing this you will maximize your profit. There is still some more to it but you get the idea.
Now why am I still rambling you ask?Well it takes a lot of time to answer all these question I get on here. I talk to people by phone, email, and carrier pigeon! Well maybe I exaggerated the last one but you get the idea. All that cost me time. I don\'t know about you but my time is important. It\'s how I make my money and if i\'m not working because of all this then i\'m not making money. So here\'s what I propose. If you will email me I will put you in contact with a buyer. I will post his prices below. If your getting better prices for your materials in you local market than is listed here, great !! I guess I can\'t help you then. But I will be more than happy to try and help you out by email or phone if you need it. This might include items about gold refining or something that has to do with precious metal recovery. You might need to find a place to sell your items. You might have any number of questions you need answered. Do I have all the answers? Probably not,but If I don\'t know I have contacts throughout the industry that can probably help. Below is a list of the current scrap prices paid for materials. This price list is from a recycler i\'ve done business with in the past and I can guarantee you they are honest, even to a fault. They will even pay you by paypal, upfront before you ship the items to them. All you have to do is make a list of your items and contact them and they will be more that glad to help purchase your materials or come to an agreement i\'m sure. You can\'t ask for better that that can you? I will send you their contact information so you can contact them. In this business it\'s not always about what you know as much as who you know. This is not some sort of scam or wha thave you. Information and my time even posting this is valuable. Is your time not just as valuable to you? If you need some gold done feel free to check out my other sales for gold refining. In the end it should be a win win for all parties involved.
Thank you for your time and if I can help please feel free to contact me.
Thanks,
R.M.
A.R.S.
Amendment#2
If I keep adding amendments pretty soon this is going to be the constitution of .
Another question I am getting is what can I expect from my gold materials? Let me give you some information. When your figuring gold content of something there are several things you can go by. The most popular is Karat weight. In those instances you can get to within about a half of a percent of actual gold content. If the jewelery is from different countries those can vary greatly. See here in the U.S. We have laws that state with what tolerance a jewelery maker can “ Let\'s use the word skimp” or deviate from the actual alloy content. I think that\'s half a percent! Someone will correct me if i\'m wrong. In other countries like India, Hong Kong,and some other places their laws are largely different. Shit ! Some don\'t even have laws. Some are custom jobs and let me tell you now I can buy stamps right here on to use for stamping jewelry. Don\'t believe me? We are here on , just check. Reckon what an dishonest person could do with those ?? So if your going on that little stamp and your assays or returns are coming out wrong, Think about it.Research it. We even have fake silver and gold bars floating around out there on the market that are so real they even fool people who has been doing this professionally for years. Theirs more than that but you get the idea.
The next thing is computer scrap. You got to love this one! Computer scarp is funny. Why you say? Let me explain. In computer scrap the manufactures vary greatly. The applications vary greatly. So how do I track my values you ask again? Some things like processors are easy to segregate. By segregating and sorting them into the same group you can then just about estimate yields. At least get pretty close. Sometimes these yield data for processors can be more accurate that karat jewelery. I\'m speaking in reference to quality control of course and not actually referencing that the yields are equivalent. Now lets talk about pins and fingers. Think of it this way. If I have say 10 pounds of this material chances are they didn\'t all come from the same source or application. Which means there is not as much chance you can figure the yields as accurately as you can with other items. Here\'s some examples. A lot has to do with what application that pin or finger was engineered for. How much wear it was designed to take will determine plating thickness which will determine returns. If it was made to plug in one time or repeatedly then the plating will be thicker if it was made for repeated wear. How much wear does the item have now? That gold went somewhere! Here is something else. Telecommunications ! That\'s a good one to. Everybody just thinks it\'s load with gold. Is there value there? Yes! The thickness you see on boards and on top of components on the board. That coating is many many times thinner than the plating on fingers and pins. That coating is their for RF shielding purposes and not wear or friction applications. Again, common sense.Look it up! That\'s why your yields are off if your calculating for gold returns. The reasons I could go on for days and days about.That”s not my job to educate you. My job is to refine for you. If your in this business you should know these things. Other wise what are you basing your profit on??? How old are they? The older technologies where plated in a chemical bath where plating was determined by variables that change in the plating baths. Most times they were over plated just to make sure they passed Q.C. Not saying some weren\'t under plated. That happened to. Most times thought the thickness from this process will deliver greater yield than from the modern day process of vapor disposition. That technology allows for greater accuracy and thinner coatings. These folks ain\'t stupidly using a product that cost right at $1600 dollars an ounce needlessly.Think about it! That means less yields. Research it if you think i\'m lying to you. There is no right answer. Only educated guesstimation from experience and then even i\'m wrong sometimes.
Have I had any problems with my customers. No!!!! and that\'s the way I want to keep it. I\'m met several nice folks off here and have conducted business with them. Most folks are just looking for someone honest to deal with. I\'m an actual business who decided to retire for reasons and now I find my self bored! I decided to get back into this after a period of being gone. Now that gold is so high you have people coming out the wood work with these crazy sales and these crazy ideas of being rich through gold refining.Trust me people it\'s not all it\'s made out to be. Is there money in it? YES! But for what I see some of these sales go for verses actual recovery of the gold,I don\'t see anyone getting rich except the seller and . Be an educated consumer. If you reading this ad and you can\'t figure out why your loosing money, That\'s why. And if you take offense to it then just move along now because your who i\'m talking about. Sorry but I don\'t need your business that bad. There are many things that go into it from my end just to recover your gold. We haven\'t even started talking the chemical processes yet or what my time is worth. Add in all my other cost. I have electric, chemicals, waste disposal (which is not cheap now days),and a hundred other things before I see my profit. Where\'s my profit you ask? Well it\'s in helping you get your profit. If your buying materials and your profit margins are not there then who are you going to squeeze? I\'ll tell you who. ME! My jobs to see to it you make money and in return we all do. That don\'t mean I don\'t have to feed my own family, pay bills, or what have you. Just something to think about while your thinking i\'m somehow getting rich off of doing this. That\'s why I don\'t need everybody as a customer. There are people out there who would just love to find someone out there that won\'t bend them over. I\'m a refiner and I know how this industry operates from top to bottom. Not saying there aren\'t honest refiners out there. Trust me I know a whole lot of them, but their number are few compared to the overall scope of things. All you have to do is Google gold refiners to see what I mean. Then ask yourself, do I feel lucky? Anyway I need to quit rambling on. I think you get the idea. I think I will do one about Gold Filled next maybe. I\'m not trying topiss anyone off, and I hope you don\'t take it that way, i\'m justtrying to bring a little realization into this madness. Thank you foryour time and if I can be of any assistance please let me know.
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